How to avoid multiple accounts?

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Banned from Discord, because answering your Spokesmen… Really?

Its funny, when you answer an official in discord and point out a stupid reasoning in HIS argumenation, you get banned/kicked out…

Well, the Roberto, answer me here…

→ Why do some users run multiple accounts and simultaneous flights on several computers?
• There’s no fool-proof way to block it. We’ll reinstate a lighter Flight Sentinel: one check per hour; miss it and you lose PAX/XP for that hour only. No bans.

So … there is no foolproof way that I might hit my coffee cup over a head … so that I can do it because it cannot be blocked, so it is allowed … just because it cannot be foolproof, it is allowed/tollerated? Well, it’s your decision .. a stupid decision .. but at least your decision…

Tell me… why do not allow multiaccounts all the big MMOs? Like WOW, you have to pay a monthly fee for every account and still only one account is allowed… oO

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Most probably, our spokesperson @capodieci (which is moi!), banned you for how you spoke, not what you spoke about. Discord is being made a place for a few veteran users that want to help solve issues. A single user with multiple accounts is something that is expensive to enforce, and we cannot block it via software, so more than make it difficult for a single person to fly in multiple accounts at the same time we cannot do. It has been explained many many many times. The fact that it cannot be stopped doesn’t make it a good thing, but simply cannot be stopped, thus why fight a battle that is lost?

“Well, it’s your decision .. a really stupid decision .. but at least your decision… Still waiting where the Kindergarden-rules going so far…” not the language I love to be spoken to…

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The same you can say for Aircraft accidents. You cant be 100% sure that no accident will happend… you can make the rules that you make it safe as possible by implement ways that it is safe as possible. but you logic following:

Hey, we cant make flying foolproof, so, Aircraft manufactures, do what you want. Maybe get a bit ducttape over the wing.. maybe it will hold…

is that your logic? When yes… dear lord…

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We are a computer system, not a real world scenario. Say WhatsApp want to enforce max 1 person per account, tell me how can they do it? Max 1 account per phone, was like that and people used 2 phones, then WA Business came along, now 7 years old have business accounts o_O… Can they ask people to send them a phone bill to prove the two phones are not in the same name? How much would it cost to them to set up the teams to enforce and monitor that? Makes sense? nope. If they set a rule that is not permitted to send WA messages to north korean numbers, that is easy, as it is a software solution: a bit of work of a dev teams, and messages sent to a certain prefix are blocked. Now, WA belongs to Facebook and a re a multi billion dollar company, and they could even afford to put in place checks, and they still fail, SimFly has no means to monitor people and enforce something that has no means to be enforced via software. It is not so difficult to understand, no idea why you keep insisting. If you want to finance the project, as bring no revenue back, but you at least are happy, I am happy to get you pay for all it is needed to enforce such a rule, and we can do it.

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Well. You activly now allowed Multiaccounts… so, nothing to say here… You chose your way.. deal with it…

FYI: 99% of multiplayer-games (MMO’s) have this rule. One Account per person! And there will be cheaters.. but when the Staff/Team gets knowledge about this, they have a rule to enforce.. you shut that door with the Updated T&C.

You made your bed.. lay in it… The Community will decide about Simfly’s future…

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But, for a better understanding:
Simple numbers
Simfly has 100 active (REAL Person) Players
Every User get we say 3 Pax perday… So total 300 Pax per day for the community…

Multiaccounts:
Simfly has 50 active players.
Every User uses 3 Accounts… So you have only 50 Players as Userbase, where you can sell something to (Like Planes … ) and the 50 Players will make a infrastructure nessesary for 50x3 = 150… Generate 450 PAX …

And, When every 20 Real Player brings 1 new player per month to the game, then you get with Multiaccounts 2,5 new player or with real players 5 new player to the Game… Its like a real business…

If i have 100 different Customers in my portifolio its better for buisness than only 10 customers with multiply accounts.. Its called Cusomerbase… Every buisness depents on a strong and wide Customerbase… When 1 aircraft-producer had only 1 Airline which buys his planes.well, when they decide some other planes are better, your fu*kd…

It was your coice to allow the Customer base to bow up with Multiaccounts… We will see how it ends…

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If I have a bar with 100 clients that order a cappuccino each, I have 100 people I can sell something to. Now I have 50 clients, each orders 3 cappuccinos (to follow your example). I have only 50 people to sell something to, true. also true that if every 20 customers they bring a new customer per month, with 100 I get more people to sell things to and more new customers per month. I agree as well.

What I miss here is why if everyone drinks 3 cappuccino then the clients go from 100 to 50? Maybe someone is at the hospital for too much coffe lol, but I think our situation is more like:
we have 100 clients, each drink 1 cappuccino, but there are 3 of them that drink 3 cappuccinos. We still have 100 people to sell something to, but 3 of them consume more coffee than the others.

There is no correlation between users that have multiple accounts and the total amount of users, and if they were amoebas maybe they perform a binary fission and from a single user with 3 accounts they become 3… that would be cool tho. I agree with you that I would rather have 150 users with a single account each rather than 50 with 3. No discussion here, I never supported people from making multiple accounts. But can I stop people from doing them? no I cannot, so I get as many users as I can, and if someone does multiple accounts, good for them, bad for us, but there is no effect on the economy, no damage to other users, and it is organic, happens what can happen…

Actually, if I have 100 users and 3 have multiple accounts, I have 106 total accounts…

Let me share with you what was (and still is) my concern, and what we have done to avoid it (and pissed many users when doing it), and I think I know where you wanted to go with your reasoning… Users with too many assets, before other rules where in place, were creating micro universes: there was no rental mission, so with only the unrestricted missions they were using their own airplanes to fly to their own airports and never mixed with other users. This (single of multiple accounts) is the key issue that stops an economy to go full rounds. This is why we removed the 3x bonus for people flying to their own airport, this is why with airplane rental we have pushed users (leaving airplanes in ground operations) to use other people airplanes. This makes a full economy work: use other users assets, from airports to airplanes.

Now a user with multiple accounts can a bit go around this as they can rent their own (other account) airplanes and “cheating” on the principle of the airplane rental mission, and we can control this by giving bonuses to who rent someone new airplane for example, and so on. I hope you see my point. For what concerns the global SimFly economy, where the goal is to have as much PAX generated as many are burned, scaling this with the user base growth or (hopefully not) reduction is a completely different paradigm: is the balance, per user, of how many PAX a user generates compared to how many they burns. Believe me multiple accounts may give to a single person more PAX (as are the PAX earned by 3 accounts), but make no difference in the overall economy is each of the 3 accounts this person has makes and burns PAX in a leveled manner. What is dangerous, are accounts that are PAX machines. they don’t burn PAX and use exploits to generate a lot of pax (bunny flights, etc) at damage of other users. If you think about it, this is a real concern for the economy, not users that - I cannot explain why - spend 20h/day at the computer and run 3 accounts…

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ecco ci sono arrivarto penso di aver trovato la soluzione e semplice per individuare gli account multipli basta vedere a chi possiede 3 account e 3 computer 3 decolli e 3 rotte e 3 atterraggi consecutivi si vedono sulla mappa ed e’ chiaro che sono loro avvolte vanno anche in fila di 5 oì 6 il minimo e 2…con un programma tipo il sentinel gli individui e gli segnali…oppure protresti mettere per evitare gli accont consecutivi il blocco sugli atterraggi consecutivi cioe la separazione tra un aereo e l’altra deve essere piu ampia cosi uno che gestisce il doppio o il triplo account e sta portando in volo 3 aerei e costretto a fare decollare o atterrare i suoi aerei con una separazione molto ampia che so gli metti una separazione di 20min o 15min cosi gli freghi subito e non possono piu gestire la cosa.

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Insomma quello che devi semplicemete fare e mettere la regola in simfly che chi fa decolli consecutivi partendo dal minimo di 2 aerei a un massimo di 10 aerei che sicuramente avranno forse una separazione di 5 minuti l’una altrimenti l’utente come fa a gestire la cosa…dicevo devi mettere la regola che tra un decollo e l’altro ci deve essere una separazione di almeno 20 minuti altrimenti il volo non sara’ valido e facile no oppure puoi fare all’incontrario mettere una separazione di pochi secondi o pochissimi minuti cosi lo metti porpio in difficolta.

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Ci sono gruppi di amici che volano assieme, fanno il giro del mondo con soste settimanali in varie località… bisogna assicurarsi di non penalizzare quelli, e poi chi ha 3 account magari si mette a fare voli diversi… Comunque si, voli identici sono fatti quando uno vola con la IA… magari proprio il confronto delle rotte puo’ dare penalità…

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Roberto ti faccio un esempio mettiamo che tu hai 3 computer 3 account e stai gestendo 3 voli contemporaneamente cosa preferiresti fare decollare da 3 punti diversi il che ti renderebbe la situazione piu difficile da gestire o decollare dallo stesso punto e atterrare sullo stesso punto il che sarebbe piu facile?

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tu non penalizzi nessuno dai semplicemente una separazione al decollo e all’atterraggio tutto qui sti mettendo nuove regole poi se loro vogliono volare insieme lo faranno in volo si riuniscono in volo ma tu stai solo imponendo nuove regole basta niente penalita’ e normale che se uno viola le regole viene penalizzato.

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SI anche quello uno che gestisce tre voli magari utilzzando l’IA utilizza lo stesso piano di volo e le stesse procedure di decollo e atterraggio quindi come dici tu se prendi le tre rotte con i tre decolli e i tre atterrggi e li metti a confronto noterai che sono perfettamente uguali e quindi come dici tu li puoi appliccara la sicura PENALITA’

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So… When we all can write in languages we want…
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Then i can write in any language i want, or, we see the post is in english and we answer in english.

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We are 3 friend who invest on airport and plane in one account they got their account and me i act like a president they send me money and I bought what they need i got another account just for flying but when i fly i just use one plane we do it for a passion not for living

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